Between a Rock and a Hard Place (or "a Prescription and Natural Medicine")

Submitted by Miss Danielle on Sun, 05/22/2005 - 9:53am.

Where do you turn?

Here's the reality on both sides that you might encounter.


-doctors treat symptoms, and unfortunately, many dismiss illness when they don't find the answer after an initial round of testing. Luckily, my doctor is one who likes to explore different possibilities, but the specialists I have seen in my lifetime are rigid and dismissive in their diagnosis.

-some doctors aren't interested in looking at your entire medical history. It's as if you are wasting their time by bringing something up that may be related or happened years earlier.

-outside of very serious illnesses like cancer and heart disease, doctors often prescribe bandaids like pain killers and muscle relaxants (which have never worked for me). I appreciate the offer, but can't we do something to treat the actual problem?

-antibiotics can cause a lot of harm, and are sometimes (not always) given when they aren't needed (or, better stated, BEFORE they are necessary).

-doctors sometimes advocate prescriptions for financial gain (OR a medicine that is just the \"flavour of the week\").

Natural Medicines:

-Back to the money, some natural products are suggested in order to make money on the sale, not help you heal.

-Many natural medicine products on the market make outrageous claims and promises that are unfounded and simply untrue.

-some natural doctors will prescribe these products knowing that they are ineffective.

-some natural doctors dismiss mainstream healthcare completely, which is foolish (Of course, mainstream doctors can do the same thing).

-Irresponsible suggestions of stopping any and all mainstream medicine, no matter what the ailment. I agree that in some cases the prescription from your doctor may not help - and in the case of candida and other intestinal illnesses it can cause more harm - but the medicine (or treatment) should not automatically be dismissed simply because it is mainstream.

So what's an avenger to do?

-stick with mainstream doctors who listen and help, and who are willing to entertain the idea of incorporating natural medicine into treatment (the same goes for sticking with natural healers who do not automatically dismiss mainstream medicine).

-Think twice...heck, think 15 times before you buy that overpriced box set of "Colon Cleanse" or "Candida Fighter" or anything else that is at your local healthfood store.

-Research both prescription drugs and natural medicines before using them (and that doesn't mean reading 2 websites that talk about them).

And my main goal is to find a natural healer who is also an M.D.

Can you see why I am an advocate of the diet?

Good luck to you (and me),

Dan the Avenger


Here was a response I got from a poster on this blog:

A little mean, that post. And not fair to MDs or nature-cure practitioners.

"my main goal is to find a natural healer who is also an M.D."

I tried several pairings but ended up with this one as the others seemed too nasty ... looking for a natural healer who is also an MD is like trying to find a certified organic farmer who works in a nuclear power plant. The thinking is simply diametrical. It is possible to find both in one person but unlikely as the thinking tends to conflict.

If you want a drug or a surgery to "solve" your problem then see a purveyor of that tradition. If you want a natural, often food-based solution then see a nature-cure practitioner. No matter which paradigm you pick, select a practitioner within it which conforms to your idea of health care. You can make no wrong decisions in health care because you always make the best decision possible given the information available.

If you are not getting well then it is because the information available was poor or there is no solution for you given your choices.

The practitioners honestly believe that their methods are superior -- even within a paradigm. The medicos have had a legal monopoly of controlled information for quite some time so they wish to protect this advantage. EVERYBODY is aware of advice to "see your doctor" for every stupid thing or before every activity. Natural practitioners do not have to educate you to do that as you already know!

There are people who can stand out in -10 weather all day in just a t-shirt and shorts and be comfortable. These are yellow-fat people. Not everybody is a yellow-fat person. Now, you want a drug or surgery which converts you to a yellow-fat person? or you want to put on a jacket and pants? No matter what solution you pick, even a third solution of your own (ex. go inside), then whether you are cold or not is only based upon YOUR decision given information available.

We treat hundreds of canteatit people successfully. So do MDs, I'm pretty sure (but not positive). If you want it done to you ... see them. If you want to do it ... see us. If you want to invent your own solution ... more power to you. Ultimately, you are responsible for your own health care.

For virtually everyone on this list I'd say that MORE NATURAL IS BETTER. If some natural doesn't cut it for you then go more natural, and more natural again, and more natural again until you are better and perfect. That is the belief in nature cure. Some people have gone very, very natural ... and are better. Dan the Avenger is correct -- food really is the way (for the most part).

If you want pop, artificial sugars, refined carbohydrates, "natural flavour", preservatives, etc ... go see your MD for a yellow-fat pill. [See, I can advise seeing a medico.]

Already you are faced with making choices. If you want to pick and choose between the extremes (often done for you by a COMPLEMENTARY practitioner) then that can be good, too, but it is a compromise and there are an infinite number of combinations to experiment with. Usually this just costs you a lot of money. Again, your choice.

Would I work in a nuclear power plant? No.

To which I replied:

The only thing I would change would be to stress that not every single MD/ND suits the description above. I tried to get that across.

The problem is that a lot of professionals in different arenas fall short of basic expectations.

I'm a teacher, and I will be the first person to say that "Yeah. Teachers, in general, suck". You are MORE likely to encounter a HIGHER NUMBER of teachers who don't have the heart or the ability to teach than you are to encounter those fantastic gems of teachers who are out there. They do exist, but you go through a myriad of idiots, bullies and apathetic folks marking your papers in between the stages where you are guided by a truly great teacher.

It's the same with doctors. In my 30 years of interactions with doctors, I can easily say most of my run-ins have been with what I described above. I've had fantastic experiences with physiotherapists, but I remember the specialists I had to see to get the requisition compeltely sucked ass. They didn't even treat me as if I were a person, never mind get around to really searching for answers.

My MD is pretty great, even if he doesn't have a lot of answers. He will even caution against "fad" pharmaceuticals that are making the rounds. He's interested in finding causes, not just treating symptoms.

But that's ONE doctor out of who knows how many I have seen over the years.

Is it mean? I expect more from people who are in a role of great responsibility. That means I will be critical of any teachers, doctors, or even policemen who do not step up to the role they have taken on...who don't do their job, who forget that they are dealing with real people, who do not listen to those they have sworn to help, and who don't go the extra step to make sure they have done everything they can to help you and have given you the best information. Because you know what? That's their job.

And to which someone added

Health professionals, both natural and mainstream, are responsible for the advice they give from their position of learned authority! Some take advantage of this position and abuse the patient's trust for their own gain.

I researched and weighed up my options before choosing a path re: recovery from a chronic feeling of unwellness. I looked all these miracle cures that jump out at you online and decided that it couldn't be that simple and that I needed individual guidance. On recommendation I went to see a Kinesiologist who I found also has an holistic practice. She assessed and advised me, saying that my pacreas was "clapped out", I was over-stressed and I had all the signs of classic systemic candidiasis. I went away to think. I then visited my GP (doctor) before taking any course of action, my doctor took blood tests to illiminate a range of possibilities. The doctor agreed that I had a systemic fungal problem and that diet changes were the first port of call (she recommended a book I should read). She also said I should follow the holistic path if I felt uncomfortable about the Mystatin that she could perscribe. I felt that I had taken a rounded approach to seeking help (but really I guess I couldn't see where else I could turn?).

At this point, I put my trust in the holistic practitioner, not wanting to use the drug that my doctor had suggested. And so I started with the lists of homeopatic tinctures she recommended I should buy to speed up my recovery. She had an explaination for why I should use each one, and I believe that she was genuine about her reasons. What she was not being genuine about was the fact that she worked for the company who made these tinctures, and no doubt was collecting commission off each order I placed with them! After a time, I begn to feel uncomfortable about the amount of alcohol in the drops and asked her about other types of remedies that might not be alcohol based – all the remedies she recommended to date were alcohol based and from the same company. She totally dismissed my enquiry, wouldn't even entertain my concerns! This is not the reaction of a genuine non-biased health practitioner. I only found out by accident that she worked for this suppliment company, then the penny dropped.

Does Herbinator think that it is just tough cheese that I have trusted my Holistic practitioner advice (she is also a registered nurse by the way, disappointing)? Hard luck, shouldn't have been such a sucker? My fault entirely, eh? Was I suppose to just take or leave the advice, using my own hugely vast medical knowledge?! I wanted to get better and I didn't know how to do it! I needed to accept help from somewhere! I should have at least been able to trust that her recommendations were impartial, and possibly given some other options when I had concerns with the treatment. Looking back on it, my doctor was more honest in her guidance than the holistic, at least she was prepared to discuss various options!

This holistic lied to me by ommission, and guided me down the path that was most benificial to her bank account. My only mistake was to presume that there might be a more ethical approach from people in the whole health field. To imply that as an unwell person the world is my oyster as far as treatment options go, and also that health practitioners have no responsibilites to the patients they are treating is a tad annoying. They should at least be responsibile for not exploiting the people who turn to them for help.


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